After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get out. She droved straight to New Mexico, where her husband was living with another woman. Reading through the court transcripts, what is often presented in HS as a dramatic moment is actually quite tame. We dress them up, change their hair and even work on body language (see, RH comment above). They were to be the vanguard the race war. That's the point lol. Pat too- and their stories are all the same after all these years.I ask myself these things when telling myself it cant be H/S because everyone in TLB land says so.. St Circumstance saidGeorge and Schreck have spoken to all the people around the killersAnd yet are no more agreed on the motive. Believe it or not the closest I think I could get would be Atkins because IF you believe Kasabian she didn't kill anyone. Because the socialist told me to vote for her, despite only weeks earlier being the leader of a revolution against the 1%. MM said: This supports the copy cat motive. All the excuses people make for themI personally know- as we all do I am sure- quite a few people whose parents were divorced when they were very young. I did not mean to offend and apoligise if I did.You said: Do you mean by the jury ?Do you feel Judge Older was somewhat derelict in his duty by letting so many leading questions go through ?You know I swore I wasnt going to do this. There is an interesting quote from Fleischmann in an issue of the Free Press prior to Kasabian becoming the star witness. She answered the question. In late June of 1969, she attempted a reconciliation with. It's not fact. There is some fiddling and fuddling around the issue, all three men clarify that it was to be so but none of them ever push Susan or Leslie on it because the 2nd death squad didn't actually do anything. He also wasn't interested as long as they had Susan even though it was reluctantly.That all said, have a look at this interesting piece from Col Scott's site 7 years ago and tell me what you think. You said Krenwinkle said it. Who you are is determined by what you do when you get back up.". All I am saying is that if your going to make a case for sympathy or redemption- who is a better choice? I don't like what Hitler did or represents in the wider scheme of things but I can see the good side he had in terms of helping Germany back from it's collective knees after what happened with Versailles. Short answer: no, Kanareks endless objections allowed Bugliosi to get in statements he should not have. Even with all the people that eventually formed part of the huge patchwork needed to make Manson's role make sense, without an Atkins, a Van Houten, a Krenwinkel, a Watson or a Kasabian, the case was so limp and that's why people would say to the prosecution things like "shame you had to be landed with such a bummer !". I know people are going to scream at my saying the TLB story is not a 'good/bad' one because it is just to easy to tell the good guys from the bad. In an effort to reconcile their marriage, Bob talked Linda into coming out to California. Dreath saidThat's what makes this incident get a 'don't make no sense' label from meIt made sense to me. You leave it to someone else to decide if someone is lying: judge or jury. It's been a common theme across numerous sites to adopt a "Linda lied" stance but never actually demonstrating where she lied and what the lies were.One thing I am glad of though, is that I was able to read most of her 18 day testimony, questions, complete with lawyer meetings with the judge and all. Sympathy is something that just doesn't make sense to me. Bob Kasabian wanted to go and storm the castle gates to retrieve Tonya but that would have resulted in danger for all 3 Kasabians. Bobby about mescaline deals and Danny DeCarlo, Pat about not carving WAR on Leno or instructing Leslie to wipe prints {she told the '78 hearing panel there were "15 or 16" things that she would like to correct that Steven Kay got wrong}, Susan about not stabbing Sharon, Leslie about being coerced to "do something," Bruce about the involvement of Tex, Bill Vance & Larry Jones in Shorty's murder and Tex about Susan not stabbing Tate, carving WAR and making Leslie stab Rosemary when she had chickened out ~ none of these things are part of the official record and are not taken on board as being so but the prisoners continue[d] to follow those lines.I'm of the opinion that some of what you get from people who are willing to spill the beans after conviction have to be taken on board if one is going to attempt to understand these people in the aftermath of that point they were at when they committed their crimes. Maybe they should have had Kasabian try on the smallest pair of genes. Are any of you people aware of the history of Jehanna D'arcAKA Jone of Arc?Delusionalmaybe, but it would be the equivalent of Lesley Van Houten taking her knife and not killing innocent soft targets, but storming the LAPD for her beliefs. Reality is that some members of the victim's families (Debra's daughter comes to mind) might have been totally unaffected by 8/9/69. When Charlie meets with Susan, even though she's plumbed him firmly in it with confessions, articles, interviews,a book and a grand jury starring role, she recants and ends up granting herself a one way ticket to oblivion.Coincidence ?Tex and Linda, on the other hand, don't see or have contact with Charlie and stick with their stories {even though we know Tex's is bullshit, some of Linda's is corroborated by Joe Sage}.Coincidence ?Fits her personality (disorder? Linda married Robert Peasley when she was only sixteen-years-old. The point is not why Sharon didn't run. All is goodI do believe she was largely accurate for the parts that mattered. This post piqued my interest.have not really commented in the past few years but Dreath, great investigative work. So even if Kasabian was a Hippy, when pared down to essentials, Hippiedom was hardly presented as an advert for something wholesome. And let's take it a step further - let's only have sympathy for the good looking, and also for those making 100K.Saint, my ass. From the Watson trial:Q: Now, you know helter skelter involved violence, didn't you?A: Yeah.Q: Did you tell anybody, did you tell Mr. Manson that you didn't want to be part of any violent scheme?A: No.Q: You knew that it involved the killing of people, didn't you?A: But I didn't know that that was our part in it.Q: What did you think your part was going to be?A: Well, that when helter skelter came to the city, when the blacks and whites were getting it in the city, and the city was burning, we were supposed to go in the dune buggies, with the children and bring them back to the home in the desert.Susan was the one that tied the murders to HS when she spoke with her cellmates but none of them went out on the night of August 8th to consciously ignite it. So WHY go the distance. Anyone?Or..to paraphrase others: Life is going to knock you on your ass from time to time. A car accident left Linda mildly disabled, and unable to work. I think goofy's comments about 'being at war' and 'casualties of war' are interesting. If it comes out that a witness has two convictions, one for bestiality involving a local horse and the other for sexually abusing one of their siblings, the other side will lean hard on that. That is cover something up, replace it with something dramatic to help my case.Bug said Linda wasn't involved in any trouble prior to being at Spahn, yet he forgets she did admit to dealing drugs. She ran with it all the way until the penalty phase. In 1968, the couples first daughter Tanya was born. Why would she put herself though that if she wasn't trying as hard as she could to be honest and get herself out? In 1968, the couple's first daughter Tanya was born. LINDA KASABIAN Wally Fong/AP; Bill Hudson/AP THEN After two failed marriages and the birth of her daughter Tanya, Kasabian, 20, joined Manson's commune at Spahn Ranch in July 1969. :-), "When they go low- I get high"or something like that lol. I'll stop now. But I don't think so. The argument was not made at the Manson et al trial. She was initially shocked that they'd killed people for money. // -->,